Conversations For Transformation: Essays Inspired By The Ideas Of Werner Erhard

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Conversations That Matter (And Those That Don't)

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July 8, 2022



"Choose a problem that's worth your time. World hunger is worth your time. Making a million dollars isn't." ... Sandra "Sandy" Bernasek (1951 - 2018), Landmark Forum Leader, quoted by the Pittsburgh City Paper

"The more original the thinking, the richer will be what is unthought in it. The unthought is the greatest gift that thinking can bestow." ... Martin Heidegger, What Is Called Thinking?

"Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose (the more things change, the more they stay the same)." ... Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr
This essay, Conversations That Matter (And Those That Don't), is the companion piece to It is also the sequel to Nobody Is Responsible Except You.




What kinds of conversations matter? What kinds don't? What are "conversations that matter"? At first hearing, it may sound like they're conversations about concerns that matter to us in life. And they are. That much is self-evident. In this  conversation however, it's but a trivial distinction. Obviously  conversations that matter are about concerns that matter to us. But I assert that's only a part of it. And it may not even be the salient part.

In this essay I'd like to explore (take a deeper cut at) what makes conversations matter (over and beyond that they're about concerns that matter to us) by asking "What really  makes conversations that matter matter?"  (my doubled "matter" is intentional - it's not a typo).

It's only in passing ie it's only secondary that conversations that matter are about concerns that matter to us. Really it is. Primarily, the possibility of conversations that matter is that having them will make a difference in  / transform the concerns that matter to us. Yet when we tell the truth about this unflinchingly, it's clear that by this definition, we've been having a plethora of conversations about concerns that matter to us which decades later, we all know haven't made much of a difference at all  (for clear, incontrovertible evidence of this all too disparaging fact, just turn on the morning news - any network / any channel will do).

We wish things will change. They don't. We hope for change. It hasn't worked. We pray  for change. That hasn't worked either. And the thing is (much to the chagrin of good people everywhere) we haven't yet fully gotten that this approach is futile: change doesn't make any difference!  "Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose (the more things change, the more they stay the same)" says Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr in his famous aphorism.

Try this on for size: conversations that matter matter / make a difference inasmuch as they tease out the context for who we're being in the matter of our concerns. What makes conversations that matter matter, is discovered more in the context they tease out, than it is in their content ie than it is in the concerns which matter to us that they're about.

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Werner's work's reason for being ie its raison d'etre  is it's committed to teasing out the context for who we're being in the matter of our concerns.

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Talking About, As Distinct From What Makes A Difference



In an older paradigm for conversations that matter (which is to say in an untransformed view of conversations that matter) we heard gifted speakers, skilled orators proposing solutions to concerns both societal and personal. We referred to what they were doing as "talking about" as in an announcement like "So-and-so will be talking about (concern).". In this older paradigm, we were left with knowing the concerns, and knowing what needs to be done to address those concerns. And yet inexplicably, weren't left empowered to make any difference in the concerns.

That's because the older "gifted speaker" paradigm doesn't make any difference. Here's what makes a difference: instead of "talking about" as in "So-and-so will be talking about (concern)", try on "teasing out" for size, as in "So-and-so will be teasing out the context for who we're being in the matter of (concern).". Look: "talking about" doesn't make any difference; "teasing out" makes a difference ("talking about" differentiates content; "teasing out" masters context).

Sooner or later we'll all get to the unavoidable if not inconvenient truth regarding our conversations about concerns that matter to us, which is this: conversations which merely talk about our concerns out of context  ie which talk about our concerns without teasing out the context for who we're being in the matter of our concerns, don't make any difference - whereas conversations which tease out the context for who we're being in the matter of our concerns, make a difference. Conversations matter when they're in the latter category.

What makes conversations that matter matter, is not just whether or not they talk about our concerns, but whether or not they tease out the context for our concerns - which is to say whether or not they tease out who we're being in the matter of our concerns. And it's not that conversations that matter should or shouldn't directly address the concerns that matter to us. It's that without teasing out the context for who we're being in the matter of the concerns that matter to us, they don't make any real difference.

Knowing the facts of our concerns, no matter how dire, is never powerful enough to make a difference. It's knowing the facts of our concerns, plus the presence of the context for who we're being in the matter of the concerns that matter to us, that makes a difference. Arguably it's only  the presence of the context for who we're being in the matter of the concerns that matter to us, that's ever made any real difference at all. Knowing by itself isn't enough. For example, we all say we intend to lose weight. We all know all the facts of how to do it. Yet how many of us actually will? How many well-intentioned resolutions to lose weight will be unaccomplished?



Context Is Decisive



Conversations that matter address macro-concerns like world hunger, climate change, global warming, pandemics, inflation etc etc. But any time the context for who we're being is teased out in a conversation (even among as few as two people) about the concerns that matter to us which we deal with in our day-to-day lives, it's a conversation that's experienced as one that matters ie as one that makes a difference.

A conversation about  the concerns we deal with in our day-to-day lives, won't make as much of a difference / doesn't matter as much as the same conversation about the same concerns in which the context for who we're being in the matter of our concerns is teased out. Re-iterating: what makes a difference in conversations that matter is discovered more in the context they tease out than it is in the concerns they're about ie than it is in their content. Saying this yet another way, conversations that matter matter / make a difference by teasing out the context for who we're being in the matter of our concerns. It's the access to their source of empowerment.

In the matter of what matters  in conversations that matter, it's their context that matters. It's the context that's decisive. If it's presenced in our conversations ie if we tease it out in our conversations, they matter and they make a difference - no matter what the concerns are that they're about. If it's not, they don't.

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Werner's programs, in teasing out the context for who we're being in the matter of our concerns, are the quintessential conversations that matter.

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