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He said: "What if
Werner's
contribution to transformation and transformation itself was
complete,
that it's no longer what is missing or needed and can be
complete
as a conversation? Who's to say if the
ideas
need to have any life beyond today, that it was like one of those
amusement parks that came to town, set up, and then was taken down
and disappears? What if longevity is not important?".
I said: "Exactly. He's always said what he does, doesn't make any difference. It turns out the way it turns out anyway.". He said: "That's a tricky one to consider and get.". I said: "Got it. And it's true.". He said: "Most people would read that and then say 'Well therefore that means (this or that).'". I said: "Of course. Most people are meaning making machines. The power lies in doing what you do anyway, knowing that it doesn't make any difference, because in the end it turns out the way it turns out.". He said: "I'm so glad I can pick your brain. You're the only person I know personally who speaks the way you speak, and it really works for me. Your parents did a good job with you. You're a great guy.". I said: "It works for me to speak it with you. In that way, I get to hear what I'm saying, and get more facile with it. With regard to my parents, I learned about how not to be with them. When I got clear about my errors with my parents, I began to grow up.". He said: "Something unrelated I want to share with you that I got today when I was at the shopping mall and passed a group of young teenage boys all acting and being teenager boys, the clothes, hair, way of acting etc. I have been treating my not understanding teenagers as their failing, calling them obnoxious or other insulting labels, and what I saw today is that it is actually my deficiency and my failing to be with them.". I said: "I get it. You're accurate, and well done for getting that. We could write a book on what people do to avoid being people, and teenagers have their own brand of avoidance in that regard, probably more so than any other age group.". He said: "If I say 'Things turn out the way they turn out, nothing I do makes any difference', people think I'm a fatalist and I'm saying that there's no such thing as free will and that I am saying that we are powerless. But I don't make that conclusion.". I said: "If I ever get into conversations like that about fatalism and free will etc, I ask people to show me one instance, just one, where things turned out the way they didn't turn out.". He said: "Ha! That's what I said.". |
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