If you're not (yet) familiar with Werner's work, what Werner's saying here and this particular conversation about the source of what people do (which is to say, the source of peoples' actions and how it relates to performance), may take two or even three readings to get a toehold.
Our trouble is we try to meet a new idea with understanding when the best and the most appropriate way to meet a new idea is to simply sit with it in our laps - like a hot brick. Listen what Werner's saying. Listen it again. Then listen it again. Let it speak to you. If it says something useful, then keep it: it's yours. And if it doesn't, then discard it immediately.
Anything Werner says, is a place to stand and look. Don't believe it as "the truth". The truth believed, as Werner himself says, is a lie.
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